lördag 20 oktober 2012

Why the Lena151 tutorials wont teach you reverse engineering - and what you should do instead

When starting a reverse engineering class I usually ask:
- How many of you have ever done any reverse engineering?

And usually, all the hands in the room are raised, so I continue and ask:
- So, if I give you a simple binary you’ll be able to tell me which compiler I used within ten minutes just by looking at the disassembly, not using any tools?

As an answer, nine out of ten hands drop. When I ask the remaining hand whether or not he will be able to take a simple binary and give me back a C file that, when compiled, matches the original binary bit for bit, he’ll retreat too.

I have been thinking about why this happens. Thinking back to myself, I started learning reverse engineering by reading the Lena151 tutorials. I thought they were awesome until Daeken told me that was an awful approach to learn reverse engineering.

At first I didn’t understand why they were so bad. After all, Lena’s tutorials had taught me how to crack my first software. But since Daeken is such an experienced reverse engineer, I took his advice without question and started writing C programs that I reverse-engineered statically instead.

A while back, a friend of mine who wants to get going on reverse engineering told me he had downloaded the Lena151 tutorials and was about to get started. I told him he shouldn’t and gave him the exact same advice I got from Daeken some years back, because I really agree with him. But I couldn’t explain to my friend why he should do as I said.

I’ve come up with an analogy that I think anyone getting into reverse engineering should read and understand. If you do this and follow the advice, you won’t be one of those raised hands who will drop immediately when the follow-up question is asked. Your hand will stay raised.

The analogy

Pretend I give you a car without a brand and tell you to reverse engineer it for me. One way you could do this is by sitting in the car and press different buttons while documenting what happens. You could take a ride with it, maybe tank it full and document how far you get, how fast it can go and how good the brakes are. You open the front or the back and examine changes while you press buttons or pedals. You crawl under it and repeat what you’ve done to document and examine it from another angle.
I bet, in the end of the day, you’ll have a pretty good grasp of the limits of that car. You could probably even write a specification for somebody that would like to build a car with the same limits and benefits.

So, have you reverse engineered it? Hell no!

- Let’s dig deeper, you tell yourself. You find a manual for the car and read it. Then you google for the engine model and learn some basic electronics. Great, you now know how to hot-wire the car. Finally you google the lock type and find out how to break it. Voila, you know exactly how to steal the car.

And yet, you still haven’t reverse engineered anything. You’ve done simple behavior analysis and behavior modification at most. This is what the Lena151 tutorials are all about, behavior analysis and behavior modifying, or as we hackers call it “cracking”.

What actually needs to be done to reverse engineer the car is that you need to be able to tell me how the electronics in it work and how they are put together. You need to be able to tell me why they are put together the way they are and how a change on the system will impact the entire system. You need to be able to tell me which fabric or brand the engine is from by analyzing the electronic in it. When you have enough information to tell me how to build a fabric that will squeeze out cars like that, with the exact same engine and the exact same electronics, you’ve actually reverse engineered the car.

Translated to the world of software, this means you need to understand the following:

x86 assembly (electronics and wires in the car analogy)
How operating systems work and how they manage memory (the engine of the car)
The compiling process from C-code to assembly (this is equivalent to knowing how a car-fabric is assembling a car)
The life of a binary (equivalent to everything that happens in the car from the key-switch to the off-switch)

Then you’ll need to know the file format of binaries in your targeted system, but that is minor knowledge that you’ll be able to pick up quickly once you know the rest.

See the difference between reversing and cracking? While one of them is about understanding the features of the target the other one is about re-creating the process that created the target.

This is why Daeken’s advice works. When compiling your own C-code and examining it in IDA Pro you take your first steps to learn how compilers create binaries and why. The Lena151 tutorials have not a single line about compiler technology or how operating systems manage memory.

Most people, whether they learned “reverse engineering” from Lena’s tutorials or by their own, are confusing reverse engineering with behavior analysis and behavior modification. The later ones are great skills to have and very essential for software professionals. They just are not the same as reverse engineering. I think that is the reason why so many raised hands drop when asked to reverse engineer a simple binary.

15 kommentarer:

  1. why wont none comment, its well explained bro

    SvaraRadera
  2. Why don't you try unpacking her protector LARP64 Pro
    https://tuts4you.com/download.php?view.2815
    An excellent way to learn 64 bit unpacking.

    SvaraRadera
    Svar
    1. Hi Badger,

      I am sure Lena could write a protector I cannot unpack. That's not what this post is about. Lena's tutorials are not suited for reverse engineering teaching. And reverse engineering is so much more than unpacking or behaviour/malware analysis.

      Reverse engineering of files and protocols or profiling and software optimisation. All very just causes for reversing. Those tasks, together with most other reverse engineering require understanding of C/C++ code to ASM mapping which my think that Lena is not targeting enough :(

      Radera
  3. I think this is the best blog I have been through all this day.


    Online Software Training

    SvaraRadera
  4. Hey, really nice blog, shame you didn't post anything from long. Maybe you could make small posts from time to time on the topic of modern techniqs? :)

    SvaraRadera
  5. I use to know asm when I was 11, self taught. But unfortunately its like any language, if you don't use it you lose it :(

    SvaraRadera
  6. Wow, I can't believe how long it took me to stumble over this. It just goes to show how much info is on the web!

    Excellent write-up. Thank you for this. :-) I admit I was apprehensive at first, but curiosity drove me to pay attention. I have certainly learnt to drop "reverse engineering" from my CV. :-P

    SvaraRadera
  7. nice blog :) I agree with you.

    SvaraRadera
  8. I hav a doubt thou..I m new to RE, how do i recognise compiler code and user code...without using ida flirt signatures?

    SvaraRadera
  9. Hi guys ! am from algeria , i was watching Lena151 Courses and i though he was awesome and can crack anything ... but when i saw this article i decided to delete this courses and try to learn assembly .... but my english's too bad and there is no arabic books explain how computer works .... i mean there is some books but not well explained ... :(
    am beginner reverser and i hope oneday i'll be the man :D
    peace out my friends all over the world and am so sorry for my bad english

    SvaraRadera
  10. Hi guys ! am from algeria , i was watching Lena151 Courses and i though he was awesome and can crack anything ... but when i saw this article i decided to delete this courses and try to learn assembly .... but my english's too bad and there is no arabic books explain how computer works .... i mean there is some books but not well explained ... :(
    am beginner reverser and i hope oneday i'll be the man :D
    peace out my friends all over the world and am so sorry for my bad english

    SvaraRadera
  11. well, nice article, i agree with what you're saying, but i downloaded Lena's tutorials as "Lena151's cracking lessons" :|
    it was a great tutorial, i started learning cracking and now i'm a RCE professional, and that's because i knew basics and had enough understanding of the stuff, i knew C and whatever...,what i wanna say is no beginner can learn reverse engineering with Lena's tutorials, neither cracking

    SvaraRadera
  12. You are right, Unknown.
    Lena151's tutorial are a good start for cracking.
    Its upto the person what and how much to take from it.
    Lena never claimed that the tutorials are for reversing. So depending on the person and what direction he/she takes to learn further based on his/her interest, will decide how much knowledge he/she gains.


    SvaraRadera
  13. After reading this article it seems to me:

    You were irritated or dumbfounded by the lack of education of your students because they thought completing a software cracking tutorial meant that they were now master reverse-engineers... Or even reverse engineers.

    But this isn't Lena's fault. If anything, it just makes your students sound ignorant. I'm newer to reverse engineering myself, but guess what? I know better than to think Lena's tuts will make me a complete reverse engineer... As a matter of fact, which ONE resource ever will? The answer is none. No, not even Practical Reverse Engineering, or The Art of x86 Assembly... But if you combine those resources with Lena's, with practice, a good mentor, and more, THEN you get a reverse engineer. Not to be patronizing but after reading this medium-sized article, I couldn't help but be thinking "Well, duh." But this is true for just about everything, not just RE. Lena's tutorials DO do a decent job at getting you familiar with OllyDbg, terminology, tools, etc... That's what they're good for. I'm not sure who or why anyone would say they "make you a reverse engineer," in fact, the tutorials aren't even labeled to do this and what you are saying is that passing your DMV test doesn't make you a professional race car driver... Duh.

    SvaraRadera
  14. Lena is great, i am a dentist, no software background. But her course was very explaining. I want cracking and it did that. I don't want learning language

    SvaraRadera